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I Have to Get This Out of my System!

I Have to Get This Out of my System!

Here’s a little synopsis of the stuff that this guy has been saying about ketosis (oh, wait – keto-adaptation!) and I just need to share it:

Stuff Wesley said. . .

i think the best thing to do would completely cut out fruit/veggies/bread etc, because then your brain would run on ketones at the maximum
the brain runs better on ketones then on glucose, so it should do something”
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> “besides, you cant store fat as fat, if you are overweight its because of carbs
the primary function of inulin is too prevent fat being used as fuel, and to store lots of fat and keep it in the adipose tissue
adhd is linked to a bad metabolisme of glucose, so the best thing to do is limit your carbs”

If this doesn’t make your brain hurt enough already, he provided a bunch of links. It started with an article talking about the dangers of ketosis (clearly one he linked without reading) then a blog that said “those people are stupid. I’m on Atkins and I’ve lost weight!”, and another to a study that showed an unspecified number of postmenopausal women had less narrowing of the arteries in the high-fat group than in the high-sugar group. Plus some links to supplements you could buy from the author of the site.

“haha boy, you seem to have been brainwashed
all ppl have an insulin/collagen ratio, if you eat a high carb diet you basicly are in “survival mode” because the main purpose of insulin is too make as much fat as possible, and block burning of fat, if you eat less carbs and more fat the ratio changes, more collagen, the main porpose of collagen is too INCREASE muscle mass, and reduce fat, there are no ketones made from muscle!! where did you get this nonsense from? your liver makes ketones from triglycerides! your muscles convert to glucose (but that doesnt happen very fast on a low carb diet), so there is no way to make ketones from muscles.
also i’d like to point out that being keto adapted (the proces takes 3 weeks) you will NOT be in ketosis, ketosis is a state were your body is still using glucose and spilling the ketones in the urine, usually the first weeks of a low carb diet.”

Of course. Ketosis gets better and goes away. They found that from the autopsies, I’m sure.

“yes, but all carbs (good or bad) rise insulin as much to stop the burning process of fat, and the main source of fuel for your body is fat.
i would avoid fibre as it scratches the delicate lining of the intestins and causes mucus and scarring, thats why this is very common by old ppl who eat like the “food pyramid””

Yes, the human body can’t handle fiber. . .

“you dont need to cut out sweeteners, aspartame is proven to be very safe at high doses! unlike the anti aspartame sites say, but they have no proof, thats important, allways look for studies etc..”

Unless your mind is already made up.

“i gues you didnt hear about glycation (but you do beleive bull**** about ketosis taking muscle protein:rolleyes
your blood sugar glucose, chemically attaches to proteins in your body, it doesnt need any enzymes glucose just attaches itself to any proteins it meets up with
the glycosylation process triggers chemical reactions that terminate with the creatin and piling up of irreversible croos-links between protein molecules that are in close contact with one another. One of the largest protein massas in the body is collagen (yea i was talking about glucagon, forgive me my bad translation) collagon the stuff that makes up the structure of your tissues and organs. and it gets whorse. Glucose binds to mucleic acids such as DNA, your genes, wich at that point become alle bound up. You won’t do a good job now at maintaining and repairing the wear and tear processes of daily life.

and these are bad:
a part of glucose of the glucose molecule reacts with a protein molecule and forms an unstable compound called a “schiff base”. This quickly changes its configuration known as an amadori product.

Now things get nasty, if amadori products remain in the body for weeks, months or years they slowly start to lose some of their water and rearrange their structure one again into a new type of glucose compound that forms IRREVERSIBLE structures, these are calles advanced glycosylation endproducts (AGEs) AGEs are yellow brown in color and are distinctly nasty and dangerous characters. They cross-link with one another and bind adjoining proteins.

Two amadori products may link as an AGE. From their study of diabetics researchers learned that the browning reaction damages the body.

plz read mly links carefully, they have a list of references you can check (dont tell me they sell anything) you seem to be falling for everything you read.”

Does your brain hurt yet? It should be becoming clear that he knows all about falling for everything you read.

“you links are pretty much behind, they still seem toe beleive saturated fat causes hearth desease, while the best research allready showed its insulin.”

Yeah, those folks at the American Heart Association, National Institute of Health, Mayo Clinic, UK National Health Ministry, et. al., are so behind the times. *sigh*

“besides no diet should be high proteinbesides, i dont think you know stefanson’s work? he lived on an all meat diet for a year being monitored in an hospital
and gues what his health improved

and i say it again, no zero carb diet causes ketosis, this is only when you are keto adapting”

OK, no carbs, no high protein. No fiber. I’m thinking this guy lives off blubber and Bacardi Breezers (which he advertises in his avatar.)

“oh and please, lets stop about what other scientists say, your diet is what most ppl are on, most ppl know about that one and tried it, i’m posting my experience with my diet and i try to help ppl.”

“but, you didnt try an all meat diet!
besides, all are bodies are basicly the same, humans are a carnivorian specie

sugar fuels cancer, so it accelerates cancer, but a zero carb diet doesnt prevent it tough just slows it”

I’ve looked everywhere, even in his links, and can’t find a single scientist who tells how to manage to eat an all-meat but protein free diet, much less outline its benefits.

“i gave you links, if you dont wonna take advice from me, do it from the ppl that lived their WHOLE life on such diet!!
the bear for instance eats only meat for 48 years
i’m sorry but i get very upset with this, you all complain about the adhd symptons, i did too, i tried this diet and my add allmost cured, so i tought i started learning the sience behind it
then i tought, hey i’l help the guys at this forum, because i posted here earlier
no-one even wants to READ all my links or even TRY it, read all the POSITIVE reactions of ppl that tried this diet

Why does a siencetist like richard veech who actually studies ketosis, call ketones MAGIC, he did prove that our brains run 25% more EFFICIENT on ketones, you can even read this on wikipedia! (wikipedia, an infallible source of factual information that can be updated by anyone who can get three friends to say, “yeah. What he said.”) the conclusion that ketones are not good is no scientific fact anymore, its been proven your body needs time to adaptfine you dont have to take advice from me, but pls listen to real scientists whith life experiece like dr greg ellis i posted the interview from, or barry groves? …”

“no! you gotta compare our digestive tracks with that off omnivores and herbivores, the conclusion is simple, they are the same as carnivoreswe also don’t have the complex teeth like omnivores do, so if we eat carbs and dont brush our teeth, they will rot away

why are you talking about his nickname? he was called the bear in high school, its just a nickname man…”

This last one was in response to a comment I made that if a bear can live for 48 years eating only meat, then maybe we should swim around and eat raw fish, instead, because sea turtles live 150 years on that diet.

“i said this allready, these links are not aware of keto adaption, all this side effect can only occur if you stay in ketosis for a very long time, and thats only possible when you eat like 200 grams of carbs every 2 weeksveech researched ketones and concluded that ketones are the preferred fuel for the brain and the hearth

you ignore my research? tell me one reasen why i should read a text of someone that is not aware of keto adaption?

no, once keto adapted alcohol won’t throw me out of ketosis (wich i aint in anymore) one there are ketones my cells won’t use glucose again even when its present
they only will when eating enough carbs to change the insulin glucagon ratio

its true that alcohol will throw me out of ketosis, but its time to make the difference between ketosis and keto adaption”

So this one had me splitting my sides. Here’s what I told him:

This has tremendous medical applications, you know. I researched “keto-adaptation” and it says nothing about it being a permanent metabological change. However, if what you are saying is true, then it could follow. . .

“I went to a two week yoga retreat. Now I will never again feel stress in my life.”

“I haven’t touched a drop of alcohol in a month. Now I can drink as much as I want and I won’t get drunk.”

“I got my legs waxed. Now I’ll never have to shave again.”

And the one that will make the most of us happier than anything. . .

“I’ve lost 40 pounds. Now I can eat whatever I want for the rest of my life.”

Just needed to put that in perspective. Now I completely understand the concept.

My Day Thus Far

My Day Thus Far

I’ve actually gotten quite a bit accomplished.  While I would have enjoyed a few more hours of sleep, the Ativan I took just before midnight gave me a pretty nice chunk.  I went out on a walk with my neighbor Debbie, cleaned the pond filters and scooped out more string algae, then filled the pond, which was getting a bit low.  Washed five loads of laundry and hung them out to dry.  Traced the rest of the patterns for the Renaissance Faire, including grading Audrey’s from an adult 10 to a 6 because she didn’t like the girls’ size pattern. 

And in the meantime, while popping around the internet (gotta do something while babysitting the hose and the spin cycle!) I found some interesting videos on youtube.com, which led me to Why Won’t God Heal Amputees?, a very interesting site that calmly, rationally, and systematically analyzes the Bible and shows why it is not the word of God, and poses the questions you’d have to answer in order to continue believing that it is.  I often find myself getting caught in discussions with fundamentalist types who make arguments that I can contradict, but have some difficulty supporting because I don’t know the Bible chapter and verse.  The author of this site does.  And, as I said, it does so in such a way that it is not insulting to believers except in the fact that it very factually challenges their beliefs.  I’ve gone through only about half the site – there are almost 30 chapters with biblical themes, and not quite a dozen more that explore specific questions.

We were supposed to go out and get glasses, because Lenscrafters’ computers were down all weekend and we couldn’t get them right after our exams, but I think that’ll end up happening tomorrow instead.  Tomorrow, right after I get back from the cardiologist.  Fun!

Yeah, I Shouldn’t Get Worked Up

Yeah, I Shouldn’t Get Worked Up

So much easier said than done.  I’m sure it’ll be better once I’m into a routine.  As horrible and exhausted and miserable as I feel now, I have the belief that once I’m getting up, leaving the house, doing something, and bringing home a paycheck – plus meeting more people and finding more things to do for fun – I’ll find it easier to ignore the irritants, sleep when I need to, and deal better with my exhaustion and current physical woes. 

There’s a guy on the ADD forums I’ve been visiting who’s all pumped about a carb-free diet that he’s on, which is patently unhealthy.  Seeing as how the people reading these forums are in many cases desperate for something that’ll help them, they’re as likely to take bad advice as good, so I posted about the dangers of ketosis, which sets in when the body does not get enough carbs to survive. He starts telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about, ketosis is good as long as you “get used to it”, and I’m thinking, how do you get used to gout, kidney failure, liver damage, bone density loss, and heart failure?  So I post a few reputable links to medical papers and articles by clinical nutritionists and doctors, and he posts that these people are stoooopid, too, and he doesn’t need to read these links to know they’re quacks.  Then goes on about the wonders of ketosis.  Posts some links.  Well, I go to those links.  Not one of them is from a reputable source, only one mentions ketosis (and it tells of the dangers of ketosis, so clearly he didn’t read even his >own< links before posting) and all but one (which is the blog of a woman on Atkins) is selling supplements and books for carb-free diets.  Hmmmm.  Quite objective.  I’m getting a tad bit ticked here, because he’s going on and on about how wonderful it is to live on meat and fat alone, and everyone should try it, and what do these stupid medical doctors know anyway.  So, since he won’t view my links, I put up a post with statements from Northwestern University School of Medicine, The National Health Ministry of the UK, and the American Heart Association.  His response?  “Where did you get this nonsense?  This is all propaganda!”

I’m nuts by now.  Trying to be calm, but this is crazy.  Finally, I say to him that he can go and do whatever he wants, since he’s bound and determined to ignore the facts and put his health in serious danger.  As a parting shot, I ponder why mister “all carbs are bad carbs” is using a Bacardi Limon label as his avatar.  Yeah, that’s when the moderators came in and said I was picking on him with that ad hominem attack.  I suppose you could call it ad hominem, what I was trying to express, though, was “consider the source.”

But now, there have been a couple of other comments supporting me (“I know a guy whose breath smells so awful nobody wants to be in the same room with him – it’s his ketosis” “I know someone who went into kidney failure because of ketosis”, etc.) so I’ve decided to just do brief facts.  He posts about how healthy the Inuit are with their all raw all meat diet.  I go to Canadian Census information and cite their statistics, average lifespan 17 years shorter than other canadians, 70% higher incidence of Leukemia, and 66% higher suicide rates.  Plus the fact that they have to hunt for their own food, build their own shelters, and make their own clothes.  Just left it at that.  So I’ve gotten over the initial rage, and I’ll be a nice lady, I’ll just get it out of my system with bullet points here and there.  And if I really explode, I’ll just do it here.  Heh.